TT 2011...important...engine spec

[Belly]

Looks like there is an awful lot a STD cylinder heads to be found this winter in both the F1 and F2 class!! Does anyone have a clue where these will come from given there is a major shortage of engines now??

[oldbelly]

As you know Phil there will be a major shortage in engines (let alone cylinder heads) as nothing is selling nowadays. If less bikes are selling less bikes are being written off (obviously) So where will the required engines , components come from.It doesnt take much working out does it. A good idea and Im pushing this with our club ,is to have more Police involvment at scruitineering.

[teamradar]

Just re-built 2 engines for next year. Oh dear I'll have to pull them apart again & buy some
standard heads. There goes the money put aside to get to the TT.

[bruce moore]

well,its a start in the right direction,gutted for the guys spending thousands,but we all knew it was coming,it will make the TT more competitive,and the racing closer,should make for better reliability as well, which can only be a good thing for the class and the spectators.With closer racing means it could throw a few cats amongst the pigeons,a closer finish means more insentive to come away with a replica etc,i know im going to get shot down inflames,but its my opinion,ECU's next,Standard or price capped,,please remember,back in the early days of F2,the majority of the competetors were on relitivley standard equipment,some with homemade outfits and they had fantastic race and lap times at the TT,grant you the speeds for the majority were around the 96-105 mark,but the track wasnt like it is now,but the racing was just as fierce and close.As i said before we all knew this/something was going to happen.so lets get behind it or loose the opportunity to ride most spectacular racetrack in the world,its YOUR choice.

[hasbeen]

This can't be a suprise to anyone who was at the TT last year. As I belivie you had a
consultation meeting with the A.C.U. at the TT which I understand most of you attended
If you didn't I bet the Paddock tom toms where soon going.As the rummers had already reached the British F2 Paddock.
I'm not saying you should all agree with these changes but belivie me this suggestion put forward
by Dave Stewart was a hundred % better than the way things seemed to be going at one time.
The A.C.U. had already decided they where going to do something to slow us down and try to make us more reiable [their words not mine] and thankfully Dave put forward a good case for just having standard heads and cams otherwise it was looking like we would all have been throwing a hell of a lot of expensive bits away.
Cheers John

[Belly]

John,

The expensive bit is the cylinder head. The bottom end on my Suzuki is completely STD minus a few thou off the block!! Where do people randomly find cylinder heads, these aren't cheap!! The valves alone in most new engines are worth £1600.

In the long term I do agree that STD is the way forward if its what the majority want but the main problem at the moment is a definate shortage of engines!!

[hasbeen]

Phil
I didn't say we all agreed with it but as I said the A.C.U. had decided to do something
and this was the best option to keep them happy As I said it looked like completly standard at one point which would have ment even a few thou of the block as yours is if it had been a 600
may have made it scrap a lot of wiring looms e.c.u.s etc etc could have gone.
I agree what your saying about engines as the kids arn't buying bikes and throwing them down the road as often and dare I say it but this isn't helped by someone up north buying them
all up and selling a load abroad But you have to agree this standard head idea works for the F1 B.O.B.
so maybe it will for F2s given time

[mick]

why not get everybody together at the festival of sidecars a long with a acu offical and that way evrybody could sit down and sort out some isusses you all have or not

[bruce moore]

why not get everybody together at the festival of sidecars a long with a acu offical and that way evrybody could sit down and sort out some isusses you all have or not

Mick, the festival is NOT the place for this argument !!! this year is the first 2 day event,people dont want to see a bunfight,AGMs are the place,if people can be bothered to turn up !! perhaps a joint AGM,with Dave and the ACU in attendance. REMEMBER ITS OUR SPORT TO LOOSE. kicking and screaming will not change whats going to happen.writing has been on the wall for years

[teamradar]

I think most people can see the logic behind these rules (twisted though it may be) but the word on the grapevine
was that the changes would come in for 2012.We are on a limited budget and have to plan ahead this now means more debt
if we do TT2011. I also note that the majority in favour so far aren't the one's that have to put their hands in their pockets.

[Keithtt7]

I would make sure that the ACU is going "To" or "Not" implement the "Std Cylinder Heads" at the 2011 TT before you go buying new parts. Perhaps the FSRA could contact the ACU to confirm this for you, and put out an official statement to clear up any misunderstandings to do with this issue.

[kew]

I run a 2006 Honda CBR600RR engine because it is a strong reliable engine.
It is my 4th season on the same 2 engines and so that they are not too slow compared to the newer engines
I have race cams and the compression upped slightly the port shape is also slightly altered. The only other
work I have done is to balance the bottom end.
If I run a standard engine It will be so slow compared to the newer engines that I may as well not bother.
I am so peed off by this that I have decided that I will not renew my ACU licences next year
I am a scrutineer and a noise tester but wont be next year and I have yet to decide what I will do as
regards my racing licence.

[Eddy Wright]

The competition between the Japanese manufacturer's to produce the best performing most powerful 600cc model is intense. The standard cylinder head is already excellant in its design.

Could it be that by getting someone to modify these stock heads actually makes them better than than the original Are we fooling ourselves, and wasting money.

Fit a motec ignition/datalogging system onto a standard motor, and you will have all the performance available anyway. So why waste money paying a tuner ! who thinks he knows better than the manufacturer's ?

[oldbelly]

Then Eddy, they will still be revving their brains out and so they wont be any more reliable. Keith and I were talking about this at Cadwell the other week If a cap isnt put on revs the 600s will continue to be unreliable and thats fact.

[Eddy Wright]

Have we got a vested interest here Geoff ?