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Hi all,

Have just spoken to Justin Roebury - as I thought, their motor is a Kettle not a TR. From my own investigation the TR head is smooth unlike the Kettle which has small fins. Also the barrels on the Kettle are polished to give a pleasing appearance to the road user, whereas the barrels on a TR are still plain cast. Who gives a sh*t what it looks like on the outside - it's the internal porting that matters!

As everybody agrees the 2stroke cut-off date is 1967 which is why the outfit runs in P4 - I try to avoid using the words "Post Classic" as this group was formed by my predecessor, under a degree of duress, in a vain attempt to top up the dwindling grids. The plan last year was to give them honorary membership of the P3 class as they have supported the club with the Suzuki and also their solos and drop the P4 class altogether. At present the P4 stands for "Illegal P3s" more than Post Classics (sorry - don't use that word) with the two Hondas with their out of period carbs. The reason I kept the P4 going was my fear at the end of last year that we were going to get an influx of 750 Hondas which would also have illegal carbs, based on " I saw them racing last year and thought they were OK!" Early CR carbs are fine but the ones being proudly displayed by Ray Reeves etc., were not manufactured or even designed until the early 1980's - some 10 years adrift.

So, please don't anyone have any ideas of campaigning a Classic with a TZ, Konig or other such "devil" motors because, the way things are, we are doing well and don't want to spoil what we've got.

Slightly off topic (but Bob will probably not notice) the ardent "though shalt ride original outfits not replicas" supporters have to remember - if we didn't have the replica outfits emerging then we wouldn't have enough original outfits to sustain a sidecar grid with the CRMC.

Straying a little further from topic - I cannot foresee tin chassis being used in the near future. However, when it comes to beams across to the sidecar wheel, box section, square tube, round tube with flat sides, call it what you will, was used on the original Dieter Busch BMWs and various Windle replicas thereof, all certificated before my time, so it would seem churlish to stop this practice being used. I have been asked to write a set of rules for the construction of replica chassis, which I think is a sound idea. I have spoken to Mike Richards, Terry Windle and many others. If anyone has any sensible ideas please private message me rather than clogging up the forum. Hopefully in the near future I will put up a set of regs for people to peruse - I don't want to impose MY views on OUR sport without due consultation.

Anyway, better stop now 'cos Bob will spot we've gone off topic!


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The Suzuki TR750 was a racing version of the GT750 (Kettle) It was whilst using a racing Suzuki fitted with a TR750 Engine that Barry Sheene crashed at Daytona Speedway Florida. He was travelling at approx 186mph when the rear tyre exploded.

The Suzuki TR750 was a good match for a Yamaha TZ750. Which begs the next question ??
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I passengered a TR spec kettle at Cadwell the thing was a missile :o It was as quick as an average TZ. ;) I know Ian has a difficult job here, I understand there were a few disgruntled people who think CMRC is not the right place to race it, but perhaps now with p1 reserves at Brands the time is right to look again :?
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Thanks for that boys, thats cheered me up no end...Made my day!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Dad raced a kettle and for a while had quite a few TR bits in it, if it weren't for the middle pot seizing a lot it would've been good. It's funny that a 2 stroke engine like that weighed nearly as much as the air cooled 4 strokes around at the same time which is where he went next with the GS1000.
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Notice what Ian? ;)

P1 reserves at Brands (or anywhere come to that) is wonderful news in one way but not in the fact that they are reserves and not where they should be - on track. Should that happy/unhappy situation prevail then non classic stuff should make way. Why do I maintain that stance? Well, the answer is in the term 'Classic Racing Motorcycle Club' ;)
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If the classic club has no room for them,then there welcome to come race with us in the FSRA classic series(post classic),they can even put slicks on if they like,same for any other 2 strokes,or Hondas with later carbs on.Itll cost you £20 to join the Fsra,and theres prize money for championship positions at the end of the year.
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Could a TZ750 be raced in the post classic category ?
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God forbid :shock: :o :evil:
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Eddy Wright wrote:Could a TZ750 be raced in the post classic category ?

I hope not, itll be a backward step for the sidecar grid if they are. Theyll be a influx of them and thatll put the proper sidecars off from racing with us. There are other race clubs that have categorys for post classic sidecars.
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Re TZs, they were run in period, ie to 31/ 12/ 80 so why not, as Mike said, a TR spec kettle is as fast as an average TZ, I will be running a TR spec kettle, so bring em on, or are we restricted to road based engines?.
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The CRMC CLASSIC period ends 1972 :D TZ et all have somewhere to race as previously said.
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Please note that anything beyond 1972 is POST CLASSIC and falls into P3 & P4.

The original aims and intentions of CRMC as stated by the two founders,'Sir' Alan Cathcart and Dick Linton, was a place where classic machinery could race against like. The cut-off date of 1967 for two strokes was chosen as that was a significant year of two stroke advance with the ultra quick Yamaha TD2 model. The four stroke date of 1972 exists because 1973 was again a year of significantly serious improvements from a number of manufacturers.

I am not going to comment on P3 & P4 apart from the fact that within the true spirit of the origins of CRMC they are post period.

As other posters have pointed out there are a number of other clubs that permit TZs etc to race against like. If this were a boxing club Juniors would certainly not be allowed to fight Adults due to inferior capabilities.

Whether the poster of the original TZ question likes the answer or not is immaterial as rules are rules. The clue, in case it has been overlooked is in 'CLASSIC Racing Motorcycle Club'.
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But surely Bob P3 is within the period? This is for any machine over 750cc, has more than 2 cylinders etc. Cut off is 1968 for 2 stroke and 1972 for 4 strokes. It is also the class we race in as do the majority of the grid.
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Ah yes Ian, my ignorance and blinkered attitude overtook me re P3 :lol:
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