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Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:12 pm
by adam10185
RP wrote:adam10185 wrote:Could anyone confirm the chassis for the Bingham's. I assume Padgett's were simply the sponsor?
I think you have a massive problem to list all the chassis as most of the programme entries were the sponsors and not the actual chassis manufacturer. In the early days the sitters would have been the original machine (e.g. Norton, Matchless, Vincent etc.) with a sidecar chassis by Watsonian or Steib etc. When kneelers evolved they were originally cut down versions of the original bike, and there were a lot of home built chassis by the individual drivers or their mechanics etc. In the late fifties and early sixties chassis were manufactured and sold by people like Owen Greenwood, RGM etc. and later Fiddaman, Windrick (later just Windle), Ireson and so on and more recently Dave Molyneux. Lots of the German outfits used a Busch chassis.Our outfit which won the 1968 750cc sidecar TT was actually built by Terry Vinicombe himself but I bet you have it down as a Kirby BSA, Tom Kirby being the sponsor. After the fitting of the front hydraulic disc brake (the first outfit to have one) it was entered at many events as a Kirby Metisse (Rickman having manufactured the disc hub). I hope I got all this right, no doubt someone will tell me if I haven't.
Hi, sorry i should just clarify i am not expecting to go right back with this. I currently have a nearly complete list back to 1984 with a handful more to 1980. If i could just fill in the gaps listed above i'll be happy with that. Just want to make sure history is recorded as accurately as possible but im aware the further back you go the more difficult it gets.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:52 pm
by Haynesy
No typo here - in this bit of info anyway!
1992 Geoff Bell – Yamaha - he was on a Jacobs chassis with passenger Keith Cornbill.
Geoff's son supplied the info.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:53 pm
by Haynesy
And whilst we're on here - why is the list of "winners" only the driver, engine and chassis.
What about the passengers? They also stood on the podium.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:22 pm
by adam10185
Heynesy, one of you erlier post's mentioned Geoff being "sadly missed". I think thats what Steve meant when he thought you got confused with Ian.
Trust me sidecar passengers are very much a part of my project. Just because i've not listed them above doesn't meen they are forgotten about.
It took me a long while to track down the names of the passengers for the early sidecar TT's in the mid 1920's.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:26 pm
by steve-e
92 I think was Geoff - ignore me
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:54 pm
by Haynesy
Yep - typo about sadly missing the wrong Bell.
As Steve said - it's definitely Geoff Bell in a Yamaha in 1992.
Roy Hanks - Yamaha
Tom Hanks - Yamaha
Hanks family have just confirmed that.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:57 pm
by Sideslip
Mick Boddice's chassis in the 90's were Ireson's.
Dave Molyneux 1994 engine was a Yamaha FZR600.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:17 pm
by adam10185
Many many thanks for all your help so far guys.
Just a handful left to find. I would love to have this complete as i've put a lot of work into it.
Missing engines
2003 - Greg Lambert - Molyneux chassis
Missing chassis
1993 - Dave Saville - Yamaha engine
1993 - Richard Crossley - Honda
1992 - Dave Molyneux - Kawasaki
1989 - Dennis Brown - Yamaha
1987 - Lowry Burton - Yamaha
1987 - Dennis Bingham - Yamaha
1985 - Dave Hallam - Yamaha
1985 - Lowry Burton - Yamaha
1985 - Dennis Bingham - Yamaha
1984 - Steve Abbott - Yamaha
1984 - Lowry Burton - Yamaha
1984 - Dave Hallam - Yamaha
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:04 pm
by Big Tim
1993 - Dave Saville - Shelbourne chassis
1993 - Richard Crossley was on a Jacobs chassis. The motor was a Yamaha, not a Honda - this outfit was loaned by Jim Norbury for the TT.
1992 - Dave Molyneux was on a chassis he built himself - probably the first to be known as a DMR
I would have to check, but I think Dennis Brown was on a long wheelbase Baker chassis in 1989. I think in 1985 both Dave Hallam and Dennis Bingham were on Windle chassis. Same goes for Steve Abbott and Dave Hallam in 1984.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:05 am
by adam10185
Big Tim wrote:
I would have to check, but I think Dennis Brown was on a long wheelbase Baker chassis in 1989. I think in 1985 both Dave Hallam and Dennis Bingham were on Windle chassis. Same goes for Steve Abbott and Dave Hallam in 1984.
Thanks for the info Tim, it is a massive help, if you could check the above it would be great, its just ive put a massive amount of work into this project so want to ensure its all correct.
Are you sure Richard Crossley was on a Yamaha? Everything i have (race programme, results book, MCN, tt website) say he was on a Honda. Cheers
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:58 am
by adam10185
I've heard others say the Binghams raced Windle chassis but looking around their results in the British/European series at the time they were on LCR's. Is it possible they raced different chassis for the TT?
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:41 am
by Sideslip
Dave Saville used a Shelbourne in 1993.
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:44 am
by Sideslip
Big Tim wrote:
1992 - Dave Molyneux was on a chassis he built himself - probably the first to be known as a DMR
Dave Molyneux's 1992 chassis was indeed the first one he built, albeit using the forks, wheels and swinging arm from an old TZ750 outfit. I believed them to be Windle.
It wasn't actually nominated as a 'DMR' when Dave entered it.
I bought the bike off Dave at the end of 1992 and entered it as a 'Molyneux' thereafter.
The bike is the one in my avatar picture and is now being restored by Trevor Speer in Enniskillen NI.
It was in a very sorry state when he found it.
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Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:59 am
by lang
Lowry Burton used a Baker chassis in 1984, 1985 and 1987.
Richard Crossley used a Yamaha FZR engine (built by me, for Jim Norbury) for his Jacobs chassis.
Steve Abbott and the Binghams both used Windle chassis at the TT (Greg Noble now owns the ex Abbott machine)
Re: Sidecar TT missing chassis/engine
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:01 am
by adam10185
Thanks again guys. I may be calling on your help again soon.
Just one final question regarding Nigel Rollason.
It's my understanding (excuse my ignorance) that the Barton Phoenix was only the engine in the outfit? Was he using a separate chassis, windle, baker, ireson etc?