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Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:31 pm**

Yes Ian, that's why I said the first GT/TR750 Suzuki appeared in 1972, thats why they are not allowed in CLASSIC but is the TZ and TR allowed in post classic, which as I understand it is up to 31/12/80.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:43 pm**

And your point is? The CRMC have no class for Post Classic - however the FSRA do so they have their place to race and we have ours. Simples

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:59 pm**

Does the crmc have a P4 and if so what years does this cover?, some of the competitors in the crmc quote post classic, you say it doesn't exist, is there anyone running a GT/TR750 Suzuki in crmc.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:02 pm**

P4 does exist at the moment. Not really sure what / how it works tbh. I believe it is for classic eligible chassis (i.e front exit, correct size wheels, no slicks etc. etc.) but with later engines? Ian Johnson is the man to ask about in detail.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:18 pm**

I am not trying to muscle in on somebody elses class, or impose myself on anyone, I just want to know where I can race my bike when I get it finished.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:07 pm**

I belive P4 (post classics) was invented by the previous sidecar eligibilty person, as he thought it would increase numbers on the grid.

We now have a very good number of P1,P2 and P3 sidecars racing in the club, and this is mainly through Ian Johnsons hard work.
If we are allowing P4 sidecars to race , then fair enough BUT they must be to CRMC rules. Front exit, No slicks!!!

The Classic club was set up for Classic sidecars and in my option if Crews with P1's , P2's or P3's cant get entries due to there being P4's on the grid then we need to look at a way of sorting it out. The best result would be to have seperate races for P1 and P2, then for P3 and P4, but doubt that'll happen.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:11 pm**

sidecarracer51 wrote:Does the crmc have a P4 and if so what years does this cover?, some of the competitors in the crmc quote post classic, you say it doesn't exist, is there anyone running a GT/TR750 Suzuki in crmc.

The CRMC currently have a P4 class.

The Roeburys race a gt750 Kettle which is very nice , there bike is FRONT EXIT with Treaded Tyres with correct size wheels, the other P4's are Honda's with later CR carbs , these are again Front Exit, Treaded Tyres and Correct size wheels.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:16 pm**

sidecarracer51 wrote:I am not trying to muscle in on somebody elses class, or impose myself on anyone, I just want to know where I can race my bike when I get it finished.

Understood Keith. What are you building?

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:25 pm**

Just been reading through this thread again and as you will see below Ian has alreday answered the main point.

sidecar bloke wrote:Hi all,

As everybody agrees the 2stroke cut-off date is 1967 which is why the outfit runs in P4 - I try to avoid using the words "Post Classic" as this group was formed by my predecessor, under a degree of duress, in a vain attempt to top up the dwindling grids. The plan last year was to give them honorary membership of the P3 class as they have supported the club with the Suzuki and also their solos and drop the P4 class altogether. At present the P4 stands for "Illegal P3s" more than Post Classics (sorry - don't use that word) with the two Hondas with their out of period carbs. The reason I kept the P4 going was my fear at the end of last year that we were going to get an influx of 750 Hondas which would also have illegal carbs, based on " I saw them racing last year and thought they were OK!" Early CR carbs are fine but the ones being proudly displayed by Ray Reeves etc., were not manufactured or even designed until the early 1980's - some 10 years adrift.

So, please don't anyone have any ideas of campaigning a Classic with a TZ, Konig or other such "devil" motors because, the way things are, we are doing well and don't want to spoil what we've got.

Ian

Well said Ian, i like the bit " we are doing well and don't want to spoil what we've got"

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:31 pm**

Sylvester bruvs originally had a kettle done by fred lewin who blagged port details etc from frank sheene,it was quick then.

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:02 pm**

Simple when entries are full p4 go on the reserve list, if they want to compete in their correct class ei Hondas, put period carbs on, Suzuki kettle / TR race in post classic (frsa) against TZ's etc against equal oppostion.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:18 am**

Totally agree with Mike and Triplebrew

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:10 am**

Sidecarracer 51,you can race your Kettle/TR with us in the fsra classic class(post classic).Jion the FSRA for £20 a year,and send your entries off.Stu Mellor is the eligibility guy(Martek fairings)Pm me and Ill give you his no.Your bike must have 2 piston brake calipers,and the chassis needs to be represntative of the period upto 1984 I believe.You can fit slicks if you wish,and be front or rear exit.Engine wise with a TR/Kettle you can do as you wish on the tuning front.
We run a totally standard TZ750,with a 1978 chassis,and a guy turned up a couple of years ago with a rear exit cooper tr suzuki,and was on a par with us for speed.He ontly did a couple of meetings,mainly at Cadwell,I believe with a seasons development a TR/kettle would be very competitive in our class,and yet another make of bike would be most welcome on our grid.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:04 pm**

Tony, Could I use my Krauser 500cc two stroke four cylinder engine in a short chassis in the FSRA Post Classic ?

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:31 pm**

Eddy, your just working yourself.

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