TIN CHASSIS

[tonybsa2008]

It depends what level you want to do it at Eddie.The Chandlers have for sale on ebay a perfectly reasonable looking F2 with a cheap buy it now price,£180 roughly for each new tyre,petrol is same price whatever you put it in,entry fees are a little bit higher(but same as Im paying now with the TZ),you can go and have some compettitve fun at club level with AUTO 66 or whatever your local club is.In which case you save on the traveling costs,as you probably know it now costs a fortune to travel anywhere in this country,and some of the CRMC meetings(and VMCC)are quite a hike.Use a standard road engine for reliability,Its just my opinion,it may be right,it may be wrong,but more and more people seem to be approachhing it in this way.At the end of the day,classic/vintage/post classic racing is supposed to be a bit of fun,and ordinary people are now finding it very hard to justify,the absurd amount of money it now costs to at least have a competitive outfit to race in period 3 in particular in the classic club.

[Bob B]

If P3 is too costly why not race P1 or P2 then

[tonybsa2008]

Why race P1 or P2 in classic club,for only a class win,when you can race same outfit in the vintage club and be in with a chance of winning a race,and get more track time by entering the B3 threewheeler class,and be in with a chance of entring the handicap race for free?

[ynys-mon]

So all your saying Tony is the vintage club is at a slightly lower standard,thats fine so at least everybody can race where they feel comfortable The F2 thing doesnt stand up, you need £30,000 + to build a competetive F2.

[steve-e]

Ken you just hit the nail for me. On any of these ridiculous sidecar racing things you can do it cheap and enjoy it, or waste a lottery win trying to be at the front if you can't ride it.
There's no point trying to compare classes for value for money, the personal preference is where you spend your money if you want to race.
I do think that an F2, properly competitive, will be nowhere under 25k and probably over 30k to build unless you build it yourself which is still possible. If you were an engineer you could build an F1 for about 20k, but it wouldn't have the benefit of development ( the subtle bit) unless you were Louis or Terry, or now RSR/RCN are getting there.
I know nothing about classic racing except I used to watch them when they weren't classics and know a lot of people older than me

[Kensei]

£30K?? I think I just heard the next generation of F2 drivers deciding to switch to a different sport?
Even if I bought a new chassis (MR Equipe), with a K10 GSXR600 engine, quickshifter etc... it would come in around £20K
A competitive club level used outfit in good condition would come in at much much less.
There was an F2 outfit built in 2009, that did a 106mph lap of the TT in 2010 going for sale on here for under £10K not so long ago.

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Sorry I removed my post to reword it.

[steve-e]

You forgot the motec and 12 wheels Ken There are f2's up for sale here where the owners say they have spent at least 30k. 20k would get you an Mike Richards chassis and a good engine, but that's where the f2 class goes funny. That's the bits that are all the same. Of course you now seem to need tyre warmers to be taken seriously, or an ex boyband truck
Shouldn't we just at last admit , it's not F2 it's the TT class. F2 is the entry level cheap class and TT sidecars look similar but are missiles.
Klaffi today, 147mph through a speed trap? Mods move me to drivel

[Eddy Wright]

I agree with you Steve, but I would love to get my son Dougie on one of those missiles.

[anp]

I rekon you are dead right there Steve hit the nail fairly and squarly on the head

[realroadracer]

I suspect, just like the economy, the whole thing is cyclical and there will be a readjustment soon. We've been through this before; when the TZ's came in, then the LCR/Swissauto/carbon brakes era. Sidecar racing has no God-given right to survive. Only if the sport regulates itself to become cheaper again will it continue. Do nothing and it will slowly strangle itself.