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So been talking to e few people today about the future of the 600. With people moving to long bikes with 600 in them what does the future hold with most manufacturer's phasing out there 600 engines over the next few years. Well not developing them enough to make them euro 4 complyent so not available in Europe. Due to cost of development over sales! What's the plan?

Euro 4 compliant? What is this?

If you mean complyent Steve It's the new emission standards all bikes must comply with. Kawasaki,s new zx10 is the first new bike to adhere to the rules including modified heads and massive cat in the exhaust.

A massive cat in the exhaust? I bet them motors purr

THE FLUTE wrote:and massive cat in the exhaust.

Wot? Like a Maine coon ?

Well I think we've got this subject matter nailed
Does anyone have a link to a readable simple version of this new act? I tried but I've been chasing my tail

http://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/ne ... xh8RBnTXqA

Here you go Steve

Cheers Phil!

From the link above

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The key elements of the new rules are:

Euro 4 emissions limits

This is one of the changes that could sound the death knell for older bikes come the end of 2016, as Euro 4 rules are nearly twice as strict as the Euro 3 regulations that have been in place since 2006. The rules vary depending on performance, but for most full-size bikes carbon monoxide emissions, currently limited to 2.0g/km (grams per kilometre), drop to a maximum of 1.14g/km, while hydrocarbon limits drop from 0.3g/km to 0.17g/km and NOx falls from 0.15g/km to 0.09g/km. What’s more, the Euro 4 also introduces a durability test, so manufacturers need to prove that their engines can still meet the limits after 20,000km of use.
Yamaha's massive collector box negates the requirement for an oversized silencer

There’s also an ‘evaporative’ element of the emission test, which measures vapours that come from the evaporation of fuel over a period of time when the engine isn’t running. To pass, some bikes might need changes to their fuel caps, pipes or even completely new fuel tanks.

ABS

This is one most people have heard of; from 1/1/2016 all new-model bikes over 125cc will need ABS, while smaller bikes must have either ABS or a combined brake system. As with the rest of the rules, there’s a year of grace for carry-over models, but come the start of 2017 everything must be in-line with the regulations to be allowed to be sold.
OBD 1 (On Board Diagnostics)

The OBD 1 system is a standardised on-board diagnostic protocol that monitors any electronic element of the emissions control systems. This basically means that anyone with the right equipment – and it must be freely available, not just to authorised dealers – can plug computers into the system to check that things like the bike’s fuel injection is working properly. OBD 1 is still fairly rudimentary, though - from 2020, when Euro 5 emissions laws come into force, bikes will get the same sort of OBD II kit that’s already fitted to cars, which is far more advanced.

What does all that mean?

While there were plenty of scare stories back in 2012 about how ABS would ramp up the cost of bikes or that OBD would force people back to main dealers for every service, the reality is that the changes won’t have a massive impact on riders.

They will impact manufacturers though, since there are plenty of bikes that need significant changes to meet the new rules. That means investment in modifications to their designs, or withdrawing them from sale altogether and replacing them with something else.

A good example is Triumph’s Bonneville. Not designed with Euro 4 or ABS in mind, adopting both would mean a major reworking of the existing model, which in turn represents a huge investment. And with Euro 5 emissions rules due to come into force in 2020, there may not be time to recoup the cost of any short-term fixes.

The recent spate of spy shots showing a completely new, water-cooled Bonneville replacement under development show that Triumph is instead opting to start from scratch with a machine that will not only pass Euro 4 but also the following Euro 5 rules, as well as integrating things like ABS and OBD from day one, instead of trying to massage the old bike until it meets the new regulations.

Another good reason to leave the bluddy EU, Wot a June a solo stinkwheel at the TT,and June 23rd start of the next 100 years war with
Johny Foreigner. God for Harry, England and St George, I`m off to find me longbow.

A World champ outfit with a standard 600cc engine and ecu with those specs would require a cuckoo clock for lap times. And would probably be dangerous for passengers as they would be falling asleep.