2017 Blackfords IOM Pre TT races

[Tibs]

For those who may be interested,this year’s Blackfords Pre TT Classic Races 26th, 27th & 29th May 2017, Post Classic sidecars are now eligible. I also asked about the F350 and they are eligible but they would all be in the same class as the PC,s.
For those who do not believe me have a look at the regulations and entry form on the Southern 100 web site . I have spoken to George Peachy and my FJ is eligible.
http://www.southern100.com

[steve-e]

That is actually pretty big news I reckon.

Nice one Tibs

[steve-e]

Entry forms and regulations..

http://www.southern100.com/index.php/en ... tt-classic

Entry form : - http://www.southern100.com/images/pdfs/ ... 20Form.pdf

Regulations : - http://www.southern100.com/images/pdfs/ ... ations.pdf

[steve-e]

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[little chud]

Has anyone got a 350 I can borrow please.


That's great Dave.

Jc.

[Tibs]

Tony - I am not on Facebook, and I know assumptions can be made without knowing facts. The inclusion of Post Classic sidecars in this year’s Blackfords Pre-TT Classic has nothing to do with the FSRA or Me. It was brought to my attention, so I have contacted the Southern 100 organisers, I also asked about the F350's. They came back saying both classes are now eligible. I think this is a great for our classes and our sport. My post on the sidecar forums was to spread this news to let as many know as possible.
Your comments about there being no Post Classic trophies last year, both hosting clubs and the FSRA are not going to spend funds to provide trophies when only three Post Classics entered all season.
The F350’s and Post Classics classes were put together but unfortunately not enough entered for there to be a championship for these classes last year
The 2017 Championship is still called the F350 Post Classic and Preinjection championship because there are still dormant teams out there with F350’s and PC’s so I want to keep the class names alive and the opportunity for their possible resurrection.
The FSRA has an AGM every year where views ideas can be put forward you ought to come along, I even collected your trophy on your behalf last year. It is a shame as friends for many years we cannot work more together instead of all the mudslinging on "Faceless-book" type sites.

[tonybsa2008]

I am not interested in the FSRA,Dave.
Fair enough the decision had nothing to do with you.While it may be positive for those with PC/350s,its not good for the classics(as one long standing entrant has already made his feeling known on FB) and I fear on a circuit with some blind bends,there may be a big accident when a rapid moving PC,comes round a bend to find a not so rapid classic on the racing line,and not much room for anybody to take evasive action.

[kew]

I think that without the Camathius cup this season at the Pre TT the classic entry would be poor so the Post Classics had to be brought in to keep the event alive for us.
There have always been faster and slower bikes at the meeting and the faster ones should make allowance for the slower riders. I think you will find that there will be some Classic bikes that are faster than some of the Post Classics.
Let's just go there and enjoy ourselves.

[mervnoble]

I think that without the Camathius cup this season at the Pre TT the classic entry would be poor so the Post Classics had to be brought in to keep the event alive for us.
There have always been faster and slower bikes at the meeting and the faster ones should make allowance for the slower riders. I think you will find that there will be some Classic bikes that are faster than some of the Post Classics.
Let's just go there and enjoy ourselves.

Well said, it's now a case of take what you are offered, and this is a dream.

[paulsparkie]

With a response to the slower classics being on a racing line in a blind corner Tony,I do believe we have marshals who flag slower riders if they are being or about to be passed, and slower riders should be aware of the faster rider and likewise, I agree with the statement just get on and enjoy your racing with what you have got your all out there to enjoy ones self and the company around you.

[lang]

The concern and reason for some of the classic competitors not entering this year is because the potential qualifying speed would not be achievable on many classics. The risk of expense going to the I.o.M. and not getting a ride is too great. Not to mention the results and prize fund not being split between classics and post classics.

A chart explaining the potential times and speed is enclosed, using data from previous meetings at Billown. These are six lap race times, as there are no four lap race times available as a direct comparison.


Best Lap Speeds Open Class (All TZ Yamaha Except *Krauser)

1995 - Molyneux - 2.37.8 = 96.958mph*
1990 - Jefford - 2.40.4 = 95.386mph
1982 - Webster - 2.41.4 = 94.79mph
1987 - Burton - 2.42.2 = 94.32mph
1985 - Young - 2.43.6 = 93.52mph
1989 - Bellas - 2.44.2 = 93.17mph
1986 - Burcombe - 2.44.6 = 92.95mph


On a laptime of 2.38.0 - 130% = 3.25.0

Pre-TT

2016 Race Fastest Laps - 10 of the 21 Starters Would Not Have Qualified (Added To Other DNQ's)
2015 Race Fastest Laps - 6 of the 13 Starters Would Not Have Qualified (Added To One Other DNQ)
2014 Race Fastest Laps - 9 of the 13 Starters Would Not Have Qualified




Best 6 Lap Open Sidecar Race Averages

1995 - Molyneux - 16.35.2 = 92.242mph
1985 - Oates - 17.03.6 = 89.68mph
1991 - Cornes - 17.09.2 = 89.195mph
1985 - Young - 17.12.0 = 88.95mph
1986 - Burcombe - 17.15.2 = 88.67mph
1982 - Webster - 17.08.8 = 89.23mph
1983 - Baker - 17.08.8 = 89.23mph
1983 - Burton - 17.19.4 = 88.32mph
1981 - White - 17.20.4 = 88.23mph



Pre-TT 6 Lap Sidecar Race Winning Averages

2011 - Biggs - 18.35.844 = 82.270mph F.L. - 3.02.559 = 83.809mph
2012 - Wright - 18.40.393 = 81.936mph F.L. - 3.01.822 = 84.148mph
2009 - Wright - 18.46.474 = 81.493mph F.L. - 3.04.022 = 83.142mph
2008 - Houghton - 18.46.801 = 81.470mph F.L. - 3.06.018 = 82.250mph
2010 - Biggs - 19.00.242 = 80.509mph F.L. - 3.05.713 = 82.385mph


Best TZ350 Speeds Over 6 Laps (Individual Laptimes Unavailable)

1992 - Langham - 18.46.0 = 81.527mph
1993 - Jones - 18.54.938 = 80.938mph
1990 - Turner - 18.55.8 = 80.824mph
1991 - Proudman - 18.58.0 = 80.667mph
1992 - Staiano - 19.11.6 = 79.715mph
1991 - McIntosh - 19.18.6 = 79.233mph
1990 - Warner - 19.25.6 = 78.757mph
1990 - Sinnott - 19.30.6 = 78.421mph

[G JONES]

A chart explaining the potential times and speed is enclosed, using data from previous meetings at Billown. These are six lap race times, as there are no four lap race times available as a direct comparison.

Thanks for taking the time to dig those times up Howard - I did start with doing the same - as was curious how the classes would mix - but it was going to take longer than I had time for...
Those numbers appear to tell us that the "classics" - BM's etc wouldn't be too bad together with the TZ350's - just confirmed what I'd thought - I'd looked at the lap speeds from the Cadwell meeting last year when we ran with the classics - however - running with the "Open" Post Classics as you say - big difference in lap times - and if they have no intention of splitting the classes - not much incentive for a lot of the usual entrants...

[oldbelly]

Would love to know where those 350 lap times came from in 1990. Seem to remember Jimmy Cochrane and myself blitzed the first race and were doing the same with the second when a main bearing nipped near the end. The Southern lads I think are trying to put on a show. Also how can you compare those times with the present. They were set by the best in the day on the best machinery. The Southern classic , post classic , F350 entry can never compare.

[lang]

Geoff,
The results / times have all been taken from the official Southern 100 website, they have the entire archive there.


The 1990 results list you as the winner of the first F2 race on a "600 Baker Yamaha" at a time of 18m14.4 (83.881mph), with Artie Oates the runner up, 10.4 seconds behind, also listed on a "600 Yamaha". Race two was a longer "8 lap" event, which as stated, only six lap events were noted, as this is the only direct comparison in race length. As you correctly state, you did not finish this one - the fastest lap, incidentally was set by Derek Rumble jnr on a 600 Yamaha - which was the fastest F2 lap of either race.


The above post clearly stated "potential" times, which is the best gauge of comparison from then and now. There is at least one top competitor who is intending to race on a TZ750 outfit, (a multiple S100 winner and recent lap record holder), so these lap times may well be achieveable.

[steve-e]

"And I'm definitely not going to enjoy riding round the iconic S100 course knowing someone has a faster bike than me so I can't win", said me, never.