Split from TZ350 and the classic club

[Bob B]

Have to agree totally with Bludge

Gordon - did you not do what we used to do with stretched primary chains? Tied a knot in the boodly thing, increased the vibration a tad bit did the trick

[Triplebrew]

Great so yet another thread turns into a which hunt for those who have a view different to the majority it seems.

What I don't get is why has a thread about F350 with the CRMC turned into a slag Ian off campaign? Remember at least I am paying my money and taking up my place on the grid.

Ok my outfit may well be capable of beating modern classics apparently but how do you come to this conclusion? Clearly my chassis is dangerous being original and clearly my engine is wrong despite being totally within the rules including the 'external silhouette rule'.

I have said all I am going to on this so now for the seconbd time can we please get back to the F350 and CRMC discussion.

[anp]

Take no notice Ian I doubt if anyone else does !

[petercaughlin]

Triplebrew,take no notice,I have taken part in all forms of motorcycle sport since 63 and in the last few years there has sprung up a disease called Big Fish in Little Pool Syndrome,this is staffed by sad gits who bend rules,chuck buckets of money at their bike are not interested in sport only winning,you wont change them,but next time you race and come midfield remember you`ve played it straight like the great majority of us

Disgusted of Dorset

[Helen Gibson]

Hey, guys... it's supposed to be fun, so ignore those who treat it otherwise.

Just imagining myself standing at my marshalling point, sun burning my neck...oooooooh.... sidecars going by.... was that a two-stroke??? soon be the racing season again.

[Bob B]

Don't take it personally Ian, please Just carry on doing what you are doing and waving the banner

One of the contemporary problems seems to stem not so much from the replica chassis debate - IMHO if it looks period and has been built using appropriate materials and parts then that is OK, as stated in the original CRMC sidecar spec, which incidentally I was instrumental in creating (dons flak jacket, tin helmet and Nomex underwear).

Engines are big bone of contention, not those that are strictly as per original specs within period but those that have evolved since that time. The door that was opened that let 'big' engines in was the silhouette rule, that if it looked a Commando or A65 externally then that's what it is. No matter what goes inside and what goes on inside it's an A65 etc. This rule was largely bought about due to concerns of the members who were running genuine ex-GP machinery, Manxes, 7Rs/G50s etc about parts and materials . To help keep machines on the track it was decided that this was OK. So then you could run, in theory at least a 750cc Manx with all titanium internals, electronic ignition hidden in a magneto etc etc. Anyone spot a potential problem here perhaps?

So folk started to try and push the rules to their own agendas, parts and or mods that were not strictly period but were for 'safety' concerns to some extent as well as the never ending quest for quicker engines. It was well known in the early 80s that there were some very large non-standard unit BSA and Commando engines running in both solo and sidecar classes but nobody ever protested officially. How to spot them? Easy, just listen along the back straight at Snetterton , for example, to the engine revs. A non-bored and/or stroked motor would be revving far higher than their bigger counterparts. IIRC rightly there were very few ever used in period racing although the grasstrack boys particularly latterly used indecently large Triumphs and Nortons. So you can see the evolutionary path in CRMC perhaps. A case of maybe give an inch and take a mile ...

With the perfect gift of hindsight perhaps the initial decisions to allow certain things was not in the best interests of the Club. Perhaps the eligibility bods were too flexible or were unable to see where certain decisions might lead. All conjecture perhaps ...

Unfortunately, some say, in the CRMC GP solo classes this has led to exceptional development in the Manx and AMC machines, so much so that well tuned ex Petty/Dearden machine is no match for them. To some extent the silhouette problem and that of development,big bores etc also was partially responsible for the creation of IHRO because of the purity of the breeds being diluted. Do we see a similar parallel in sidecar racing thus? I leave that for you, the reader, to decide and discuss...

[steve-e]

OK I've split this up trying to keep the 350 stuff separate from the off topic stuff.
None of the admin have deleted anything yet, but please don't go ranting on or the offending posts will get moved to mods.
It all got picked up and moved about in a bit of a hurry, a couple of posts might need putting back in the other thread.

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[dick tapken]

well iv'e joined the club bmw nearly finished am really debating wether to join the classic club or not all i want to do is go out and enjoymyself as far as i am concerned if it's got 3 wheel's race the bloody thing !!

[Bob B]

Top man Dick Race the old girl wherever you can and just let folk here that wonderful Be-em music

[dick tapken]

bob you get annoyed when you hear all the bitching +whining the best of it usually comes from someone who does'nt even ride!ive been riding since1969 and heard every bit of crap going we are planning to do the belgium classic serie's and just the meeting's that suit us in england but it will have to be a very brave or foolish person that tell's me i can't ride cos my bike is not 100% as they decree .

[oldbelly]

And thats before you have a beer Dick.

[Bob B]

Wait until Dick hits some of that real Belgian beer, bought some Chimay this afternoon at 9% OG - luvverly jubbly

[dick tapken]

chimay blue ,now there lie's some tale's we are calling in at mettet and gedinne for a few day's before we go to val du vienne going to try to get some lap's in later in the week but if we can't get out just go on the hiss!!

[Triplebrew]

Ah Chimay Blue a real beer tastes even better drunk in Chimay either at the circuit or in the Queen Mary

[Karl]

Ah Chimay Blue a real beer tastes even better drunk in Chimay either at the circuit or in the Queen Mary

I remember drinking Chimay beer in Chimay, don't remember much afterwards though. I remember there was red, blue, and I think silver. When I was racing there with Gary Golder in 89 I was ordering the strongest and my wife (girlfriend at the time) was swapping it for the weakest. We did two laps of practace and pulled in the pit lane for a chat and regroup, I was sick as a dog over the pit wall, first and only time I was ever sick at a race meeting in 15 years of racing.