CRMC New Eligibility Rules

[richard]

Sorry Bob did not mean for it in large print, had the wrong button pressed down. I did not mean it as a shout all I wanted to say was just get on with what we have and not make waves as some thing may come and bite you

[steve-e]

Fair do, can tell by w in lower case Bob's just had guests arrive so shouldn't see this for a while, if he does he's sneaked out

[realroadracer]

Gentlemen, a general observation. As an outsider looking in, it strikes me that classic racers seem to have a lot of arguments and bickering, some of which appear a bit childish.
For those of us coming to the end of our racing careers, who might be considering going classic racing, this is not encouraging.
So, with respect, I suggest you do as much as possible to get as many outfits racing to a clear set of rules and HAVE FUN!

And with that, I bid you all a Happy, Prosperous and Safe New Year.

[Triplebrew]

Geoff please do not tar all classic folk with the same brush. Despite what the minority portray on here the majority are a great bunch and when we race it is competative and fun. Also it is not just a class for those who are coming to the end of their careers as quite a few of us younger folk will tell you!!!

[richard]

Geoff, Thats the problem there are a set of rules but people want just that bit more, it's I know the wheels are bigger and the brakes are better but wont go any faster will I , most want to race and have a good time but some want to win at any cost, and the ones just racing for fun still like to think that there outfits are as good as the next one and this is what is causing the problems. Riders do take there sidecar racing to hart and if something is not right they will say so. The problem is we are racing in a time zone and riders want the outfits to stay in that time zone, or we may as well be on F2's

[realroadracer]

Geoff please do not tar all classic folk with the same brush. Despite what the minority portray on here the majority are a great bunch and when we race it is competative and fun. Also it is not just a class for those who are coming to the end of their careers as quite a few of us younger folk will tell you!!!

Ian, that's just my point. I know you are a great bunch, it's just that anybody reading this forum would think otherwise!!

[charlie2]

heres my 2 pence worth.the biggest advantage you can have in "classic" sidecar racing is a new,modern chassis built with f2 dimensions.having passengered a proper classic outfit and trying to race against these modern "classics" the chassis are chalk and cheese.left handers are totally different.i was hung out, arse on the floor trying to keep the thing on 3 wheels,the newer chassis the passenger didnt even need to get out!.as regards tyres,not allowing the cheaper yoko`s in the classic club is ridiculus,they are allowed in the vintage club so why not classic club.my ex driver has changed to yoko`s and says they are very very good and half the price of the dunlops he used before.surely allowing them in may allow some vintage bikes to come and play with the classic boys.fancy ignitions would give an advantage on any engine but at the end of the day,the engine can still blow up just as easily with a period ignition as well as a karlo fandango super dupa ignition set up as the engine is 30 odd years old!.any form/class of racing will always come down to how fast can you afford.theres mi 2p spent!

[Eddy Wright]

Charlie you are perfectly correct about the old original chassis lifting the chair. My IMP is a genuine 1972 model making it 39yrs old. It even still has the rubber doughnut (ex mini) suspension on the rear.

Vic, and I had some great battles with Matt Kingsmill last year who has a new replica chassis, and the difference in handling was very noticeable. His bike was better on right handers too, but I think this was due to him running a 13" front wheel against my smaller 10" mini wheel.

However time moves on, and in the interests of safety Replica chassis have a big part to play if we are going to keep the grids healthy in future.
The solo classes have many replica machines some with new Engines too, and their racing is fantastic to watch with healthy grids, and a great variety of machinery. We can learn many things from these guy's, especially in machine preperation.

You are perfectly right about the Yokohama tyre but the rules say a 5.5" contact patch, and depending which way you measure this tyre it could be said that it is too wide. Pity really because it is a very good tyre better than anything we are allowed to fit, and it is much safer in wet conditions. However if you run 10" wheels you can fit the Yokohama without problems, and go faster safer in the wet.

Ignitions are starting to play more of a part in Classic racing, and do as you state contribute towards performance. I saw a team last year downloading data from their classic outfit on to a lap top. I'm not against progress but it did seem an odd sight in the classic paddock.

Next year will be an interesting one, as I am led to believe we will be joined by some riders who are very good from F2. It will be interesting to see what they place on the starting grid, and I for one welcome them.

[Bob B]

Eddy - thanks for restoring a sense of calm and sanity to the place

[Triplebrew]

The 2011 season I feel will be the best yet for the CRMC and classic scene in general. The amount of interest shown is getting bigger and bigger and an influx of new teams is something to really look forward to. On a personal note for me and Grant it will be a year of learning a new bike and moving on from the great season we had in 2010.

[dick hawes]

What a fiasco the eligibility issues are. The CRMC has a dedicated and genuine official in Ian, but he has so little
knowledge of what happened in the period. He listens to the paddock moaners who either dont know or who
lie to him for their own benefit.
The Konig motor was give eligibility [as it deserves] but due to the moaners it is to be blocked.
Can anyone tell me when a 1200cc Imp was used in the period, or 1200cc BMW, or a 950cc Weslake

In my humble opinion there should be a small sub-committee under Ian, made up of three people who were
around in the classic days such as John Simper, Terry Windle, and perhaps Mike Richards Father. Then Ian
would have the support in doing what is a very difficult job.

Lastly' it aint a war its bit of sport'

Yours in sport Dick Hawes

[ianw]

I think Bob B would be a good candidate given his knowledge.

[Bob B]

Thanks Ian Might be a tad expensive getting to eligibility committee meetings methinks Just as an aside I was the first eligibility bod at CRMC, but that is history ....

[ianw]

Seems to me they could use a bit of your advice as to what is & what isn't eligible.
Was there a spcific ban on all 2 strokes after 67 Bob?
I know Nick & Gerry Boret raced their Konnig in 1972.

[Bob B]

The original CRMC spec (not mine) was that ALL strokers up to '67 were eligible only. The idea was to keep out the all conquering TD2 Yams which would have annihilated the 250 & 350 classes. Four stokes up to '72 were also eligible. There was no concept of anything post these periods such as allowing 'Post Classics' let alone P3 & P4 as is now. (Yes I appreciate that the latter categories were permitted to augment diminishing grids.) The only exception to this rule was any machine of 'Historical Merit or Interest'. It was also an original rule that only the capacities of specific engines that were run iin period were eligible.

Just trying to set the original record straight as things tend to distorted by time ...