Not to put down the CRMC who are on the crest..

[tonybsa2008]

Fair enough.Whyve you got period 4 then?Out of curiosity.

[Eddy Wright]

That's a good point Tony, but in fairness they run in the same race as the rest of us, and I think we only have two or three P4s

However on this basis, and not wanting to take anything away from the FSRA I think these outfits in question should be allowed to race with the CRMC.

This would swell our grids, and allow us to have a separate race for 750cc instead of running them with P3

[Bill Lymburn]

That's a good point Tony, but in fairness they run in the same race as the rest of us, and I think we only have two or three P4s

However on this basis, and not wanting to take anything away from the FSRA I think these outfits in question should be allowed to race with the CRMC.

This would swell our grids, and allow us to have a separate race for 750cc instead of running them with P3

Good on you Eddie, most sensible thing said to date!!
Who cares what race they run in as long as they get racing!!

[Bill Lymburn]

One thing I have found is that, if those who own Post Classic outifts put in as much effort getting them race ready, and on track with the FSRA where they can race instead of trying to change the Classic rules to suit they would save a lot of energy, time and money. Grids would be much better supported at FSRA meetings and the Classic grids will be left to resemble the Classic Period. The CRMC rules are clearly working and there is no need to change them to accommodate the Post Classic outfits which clearly have a place to race.

I take it is me you are referring to Triplebrew. I don't have an outfit to prepare, I'm a 72 year old pensioner in a wheelchair. I'm fighting for representation of the machines, designers and riders of the period to be represented in classic racing, and I don't care really who with as long as it is in the classic scene. These posts have been going on for yonks in various guise when suddenly a member of another club points out to you and your club that you already have rules to accept them but obviously didn't want them or don't know your own rules.
Thank God for folks like BSA2008 and Eddie Wright with a bit of common sense.

[Triplebrew]

Not specifically aimed at anyone but it seems to be a reapeat theme. Period 4 as far as I am concerned has no place with the CRMC grids. There is more than enough outfits racing and if as much effort were put on encouraging already eligible outfits such as Period 1 and Period 2 all would be good. As I keep saying it is the Classic Racing Motorcycle Club not the Post Classic. The FSRA have a class for Post Classic which is struggling for numbers / survival so why do owners of machines that could clearly race here keep trying to get to race with the CRMC? I am just puzzled by it and no more. As to the CRMC being my club I race with who I want to, when I want to as it is my money that I am spending. The majority of this is with the CRMC admittedly but if a date clashes with a meeting abroad or another event such as Beezumph then the CRMC meeting is what I will miss. I would love to see these innovative outfits on track but surely if the opportunity is already there with a club that caters for them and needs support it would make sense to concentrate on that first?

[Bob B]

Having CRMC very close to my heart from almost its very inception I am, as usual, in very close agreement with Ian (Triplebrew) on this very point. I have loved sidecars with a deep passion for more than fifty years now and feel that there is room for all in the right places.

[Bill Lymburn]

Not specifically aimed at anyone but it seems to be a reapeat theme. Period 4 as far as I am concerned has no place with the CRMC grids. There is more than enough outfits racing and if as much effort were put on encouraging already eligible outfits such as Period 1 and Period 2 all would be good. As I keep saying it is the Classic Racing Motorcycle Club not the Post Classic. The FSRA have a class for Post Classic which is struggling for numbers / survival so why do owners of machines that could clearly race here keep trying to get to race with the CRMC? I am just puzzled by it and no more. As to the CRMC being my club I race with who I want to, when I want to as it is my money that I am spending. The majority of this is with the CRMC admittedly but if a date clashes with a meeting abroad or another event such as Beezumph then the CRMC meeting is what I will miss. I would love to see these innovative outfits on track but surely if the opportunity is already there with a club that caters for them and needs support it would make sense to concentrate on that first?

For sure Triplebrew, it is a repeated theme. As I have said earlier I was fighting for a place for these pioneers to race in the UK, not the Continent. I wasn't fussy with which club, though if asked for a self interest preference I would have to choose the CRMC because they bring the entourage to Scotland where I can see it. What raised the subject again was TonyBSA2008 who pointed out P4 and Eddie W who felt the CRMC should use this to bolster a part of the CRMC grid that was currently having to be incorporated in another race. I'm not sure that you have the authority to write off P4 for the CRMC and believe it can only be your opinion.

I will say this and then I'm going to leave the subject as I'm finding too little support from the folks with these outfits who want to race and no support at all from persons of authority within the two clubs who could take them in, coming forward and saying, here is a place for you to race!! A statement that would take two minutes of their time. I only started on this quest because of interest shown on here by people who wanted a place to race rare machines of historic interest.

[Bob B]

Chin up Bill! I've fought what turned out to be many lost causes over the years yet still espouse several in eternal hope Rome was not built in a day but I am told that it is eventually possible to demolish a wall with a peashooter The only problem that you and I would seem possibly to have is an excess of spent anno domini

[steve-e]

The post classic guys in question aren't particularly active on here and mostly would be reading the 350/pc section. Tibs comes along now and then, Stu Mellor even less so. It would be better to contact the FSRA for their direct contact details. I would have already but have been busy trying to get the mobile templates working at last. Will mail Tibs and Stu when at a pc next.

[Bill Lymburn]

Chin up Bill! I've fought what turned out to be many lost causes over the years yet still espouse several in eternal hope Rome was not built in a day but I am told that it is eventually possible to demolish a wall with a peashooter The only problem that you and I would seem possibly to have is an excess of spent anno domini

I like it Bob, an excess of spent anno domini for sure. Cheers Steve, maybe something then will move!!

[tonybsa2008]

Good piont,and idea Eddy,if they did run a seperate 750 race I would be interested in entering myself,however,I think the CRMC would find it difficult to sqeeze another race into there schedule,as they already run a very full programme.
Bill,if youd like me to speak to Stu or Dave on your,or anybodies behalf,I have there numbers,and would be happy to take time to speak to them,and put them intouch with you.

[steve-e]

Tony please do! I am out again there's only one Saturday night a week and I'm making the most of it.

[Eddy Wright]

Steve. I don't think we should dismiss this so easily. Bill has a valid point here. The CRMC is the club for Classic sidecar racing thank's to Ian, it should include all classic sidecars from the given period inc the bikes Bill refers to.

We in the CRMC want to see more 750 outfits on the grid as they are sadly lacking at the moment. The majority of the 750 teams prefer to ride BHR.

The question is Why are 750 entrys so poor with our club? and what can be done to encourage these teams to ride with us.

[Bill Lymburn]

Steve. I don't think we should dismiss this so easily. Bill has a valid point here. The CRMC is the club for Classic sidecar racing thank's to Ian, it should include all classic sidecars from the given period inc the bikes Bill refers to.

We in the CRMC want to see more 750 outfits on the grid as they are sadly lacking at the moment. The majority of the 750 teams prefer to ride BHR.

The question is Why are 750 entrys so poor with our club? and what can be done to encourage these teams to ride with us.

At last Eddie I've got some tangible support, thankyou!!

[666]

750's are on the increase slowly but surely,its slow possibly due to the fact that people would like to win their own race rather than their class in a mixed race. am I correct in saying that 750's get their own race in the VMRC ?. The problem I see is that there are 750 teams out there that would compete in CRMC but not until they can have a dedicated race and the club have the problem of not having enough 750's for that to happen, so i think it's up to the teams to rectify this by entering in increasing numbers.I don't think it can be done by the club just putting on another race before entries rise (cart before the horse) as this may not be a cost effective way of doing it.I think its for the teams to show their intention's and commitment through entries rather than just talk,action's speak louder than word's. We are currently building a new 750 on 16" wheel's for the coming season.Not to forget that CRMC have a period 4 class with very few entries so there could be room there for more bikes !! could it be that at present there is not enough interest from owner's and rider's? To push the envelope you need action's more than the word's.