350s

[mervnoble]

ok so who is the new rep now any contact details or is it to late to sign up for series now ,i think this is getting far to political i only want to go out have a good time and enjoy myself we all work hard to be able to do this so i guess iust have to get on with it ,just one more question is it all of us who have to be checked or just these banshee engines

Tony, Alan Longshaw is the 350 rep, his number is 0161 681 2055, call him and get involved matey.
( I bloody hope nobody measures my monstrous motor).

[Jeff the chef]

its about time that all this moaning and bickering over the 350 s stopped, if as much effort is put into getting ready for the new season ahead as all this snipping then everybody would be ready to race now. come on put it all bed.

[tonybsa2008]

I may be wrong,and I do stand to be corrected,but towards the end of last year(after the AGM,and nothing to do with it),I seem to remember reading,possibly in the FSRA magazine(but I cant be certain)that as the F2 rules for Scarborough etc,are being brought into line with the TT,so that competitors may use the same spec engine all year,that the eligible power units for F2 will from now on be 600cc(presumamably 4 stroke)stock below the cylinder heads I think(cant be sure, not really interested in modern diesels).Which I presume,(possibly wrongly?)means that since 350s are not allowed to enter the TT,means now that all the other F2 series are running to the same format,means 350s are no longer eligible for F2?
Clarification would be most welcome?

[G JONES]

Where does it say that 350's are not eligable for the F2 or Formula 600 class ?

Hi Paul - I think Tony meant for the TT (and other selected meetings like Scarboro I think) - 350s have been excluded from the TT for a number of years now.
According to the 2013 ACU handbook (I had to check it hadn't been changed for this year)

SECTION 18 FORMULA 600 AND FORMULA II SIDECAR
SPECIFICATIONS:
18.1 ENgINE TYpES
The only permitted engines for this class are:
Up to 350cc 2 stroke, twin cylinder
501–600cc, 4 stroke, 4 cylinder, Production based
Rotary engines are not permitted.
Over-boring is not permitted.
Induction systems:
Up to 350cc, 2 stroke: 39mm maximum carburettor choke size
501–600cc, 4 stroke: Any carburettor is permitted.

So - the 350 is still considered to be an F2 - although can't see how it can be a F600...

Bruce - don't worry - no turmoil here - just a calm discussion as always - just a few people exchanging some points of view....

In answer to Tony - you've already got the rep's number - the answer to the other question is - yes - all engines can be checked - here's the bit from the championship conditions document:

ENGINE RULE CHANGES FOR 350 cc 2 STROKES from 1st January 2013 these will be as follows.
1/ Engines will remain as twin cylinder 2 stroke engines based on a 350cc engine. BUT it will be allowed to be over bored to a MAXIMUM of 1.5 (1 ½)mm provided this doesn't take the total engine capacity over 364cc. NO engine modifications are allowed that will take the total engine capacity over 364cc
2/ A minimum of TWO engines will be checked for TOTAL ENGINE CAPACITY after each days racing. This will normally be the winner. Plus one random on the first days racing and maybe two random on the second day if it’s the same winner both days. This will be performed by at least two people involved in racing in this class chosen by yourselves at the start of the season. One of course must be capable of doing the measuring and the quite simple sums to work out the engine cc. The second can just be an observer. To oversee fairness and continuity in the measuring procedures.

I can send the full document if you want - although I guess Pat will send it to you if you've not got it....ok - I'll post it here - I guess it's not a secret...

2013 F350 Post Classic Champ cond.doc

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As for measuring Merv's monstrous motor - I'm sure we can come to some sort of arrangement for Merv - there are conditions of course....( he should know what they might be )

[tonybsa2008]

Thanks for clearing that up Gordon,it wouldnt be the first time legislation has changed,and excluded something by overlooking it.