Not long now?

[Kickaha]

Move to NZ, we have 1300cc rule, short or long, we're a bit behind the rest of the world so it'll be like that for a while yet

[Kensei]

Ive never heard of an experienced, world class passenger having any problems keeping up with the power of a 1000cc engine.
Since when did two accidents over two years mean that something had to be done?

I think that a problem has been invented by the governing body that simply does not exist, and it will have a negative impact on the sport if it goes ahead.

Not immediately as it will be a few years before it impacts those of us who choose to race only at grass roots level, but when it does... Well i think you'll see an already beleagured, suffering class shift into further decline, as costs will spiral out of control, an inevitable result of overregulation and reduced availability of key parts.

[wingnut]

Agreed Ken plus Eckhart come and see the f1 and f2 British championships , the grids are going up not down

[kew]

Hi
not many passenger are able to follow the power of a 1000 bike. after the two accidents 2013 and 2014 anything has to be made even to show something will be done.
everywhere the grids are going down. If you have all in one engine regulations (600cc, long or short) , you can use your bike at all championships in the world. This is also the reason to bring all federations to one enginge rule. Well done at the Southeren, another step towards the future.
bye Eckart

There have been several accidents over the years where passengers have fallen out of 600cc bikes. This obviously means that 600cc engines are too powerful for the passengers to handle.
I suggest making the maximum size of engine 250cc, 4 stroke only, single cylinder with a restricted size inlet port.
If any accidents occur during the first year of the new formula a reduction to 125cc could be brought in.

[Eurocup]

Hi
most of you answering here, are not doing international meetings. No F1 world championship, no F2 world cup.
I dont know how your national federation will handle it.
We will give the big engines enought time to run out.
Except of england all grids are going down. this is a fact.
As we saw, British teams doing their national championships, the rest do the international. It is ok. You all think only about the next year. But what will happen in 3, 5 or 7 years. It needs visions and people to do it.
We built the first F600 in 2012. We know all about costs, lap times and problems. Dont tell us about these things unless you have done it. The vision we had 2012 ( i had it since 2006 when i opende the eurocup series for F2 bikes because the grid gone down) was and is right, you will see.
The time will give the right answer.
See you.
bye Eckart

[little pierre]

Hi
not many passenger are able to follow the power of a 1000 bike. after the two accidents 2013 and 2014 anything has to be made even to show something will be done.
everywhere the grids are going down. If you have all in one engine regulations (600cc, long or short) , you can use your bike at all championships in the world. This is also the reason to bring all federations to one enginge rule. Well done at the Southeren, another step towards the future.
bye Eckart

There have been several accidents over the years where passengers have fallen out of 600cc bikes. This obviously means that 600cc engines are too powerful for the passengers to handle.
I suggest making the maximum size of engine 250cc, 4 stroke only, single cylinder with a restricted size inlet port.
If any accidents occur during the first year of the new formula a reduction to 125cc could be brought in.

! guess you'd better go on a diet then Kew

[long legs]

You set of whinging old timers , look to the future or they'll be no sidecars ,
600 engines any chassis thats whats happening ....... how hard can it be ........ simples
130 horses from a 600 , thats as much as tz when you were all on the hiss and been super stars back in the day ........
Wake up and get with it
As long as we have side cars thats a good thing surley ......
Now get me a short monocoque outfit with a 600 in please ........

[Kensei]

Not an old timer here. 36 and this is my 8th season.
If the speed reduction wont be significant as you suggest then that further undermined Eckarts argument.

As you'll see if you read my posts, my concern is that 600cc engines newer than 2005 are getting hard to come by and very expensive.
4 or 5 years down the line if "all national federations" follow suit as Eckart suggests and 1000cc outfits become a thing of the past then engine demand dramatically increases, driving prices up further. For a F1 driver to switch power plants to a 600 costs: Engine, loom, ecu, ems, Cradle, etc.... If my dad dud that today for like equipment it would cost almost 5 grand. Thats him out of racing permanently.

You can look forward to further weight saving measures on long chassis that already wear out after a season or two. Creating safety risks in and of themselves and doing nothing but generating income for one or two chassis builders.

If the regulation stayed at world level then its not so bad. But it wont. Because nobody wants a world Championship that's slower than the British one, or slower than a Club championship. Its already less exciting now, why make it worse?

Its motorsport not chess. Hell might as well go to moto 3 engines and kart wheels. Someone built one of those a few years ago.

[steve-e]

A short monocoque with a 600 in it says Winnie. I'd love to see that myself.
I think the worst thing that can be done with any sidecar rules is let current racers make the decisions, they'll naturally go for as fast as possible and with a bias to what they already have set up.
The 600s now make nearly as much power as an average Krauser (not quite but close) and the engines are probably not that different in weight (I was always shocked when picking the krauser up how heavy they are, those cases were solidly built). OK so it will slow things down for a while but I bet in a couple of years that will all be nulled again. Ask the guys at the TT when the 600s came in and I don't think many then would believe 115mph laps would be possible already (OK not by all and sundry, but there are quite a few at 110 which I think is amazing).

[Kickaha]

A short monocoque with a 600 in it says Winnie. I'd love to see that myself.

A guy in Australia built one quite some time back, awesome looking piece of kit, unforunately a few computer changes later I can no longer find the pics

I'd like to see short mono 1000cc myself

[Jeff]

So all our 1000s will be worth nothing!

In 2005 in Australia, they bought in a standard bore and stroke rule, making around 70% of the then current sidecars ineligible as most were running ZZR1100 or GSXR1100s and teams were left to either spend $5-10 thousand just to keep racing, even at club level or walk away from the sport. Many walked away and there are many sidecars sitting in sheds. This would happen again if our controlling body blindly followed the FIM on this.

I was looking at upgrading to a newer sidecar, but now don't want to be stuck with something I can't race or sell.

Jeff

[Jeff]

I'd like to see short mono 1000cc myself

Like this Warwick:



Jeff

[Kickaha]

I'd like to see short mono 1000cc myself

Like this Warwick:

Yeah, ship that sucker over

[Eurocup]

Not an old timer here. 36 and this is my 8th season.
If the speed reduction wont be significant as you suggest then that further undermined Eckarts argument.

As you'll see if you read my posts, my concern is that 600cc engines newer than 2005 are getting hard to come by and very expensive.
4 or 5 years down the line if "all national federations" follow suit as Eckart suggests and 1000cc outfits become a thing of the past then engine demand dramatically increases, driving prices up further. For a F1 driver to switch power plants to a 600 costs: Engine, loom, ecu, ems, Cradle, etc.... If my dad dud that today for like equipment it would cost almost 5 grand. Thats him out of racing permanently.

You can look forward to further weight saving measures on long chassis that already wear out after a season or two. Creating safety risks in and of themselves and doing nothing but generating income for one or two chassis builders.

If the regulation stayed at world level then its not so bad. But it wont. Because nobody wants a world Championship that's slower than the British one, or slower than a Club championship. Its already less exciting now, why make it worse?

Its motorsport not chess. Hell might as well go to moto 3 engines and kart wheels. Someone built one of those a few years ago.

Hi
if two passengers die in two years, the politic (FIM) is looking for changes or sidecars are out. (see Sachsenring or any other Moto GP event). Sidecars are out. So something has to be happen.
The changes never were done about the costs. It is up to you how much (always usefull ???? ) you spend into engines. About costs changing to a 600 cc engine. we have done it 2012. K8 engines, cradle, ecu, yoshi loom. Less than half what you write. How much do you spend in your engines every year? At the end the F600 bike was a little bit faster as a F2 with same engine. But, and this is importand: It is the driver and passenger, never the bike. If you think you have to spend 3 grand into an engine, may be it is your right hand... Think about set up, propper tyres etc. It is not always the engine. At the F2 World Cup we were second slowest in top speed. We finished both races 4 place, with a standart engine. Not with a tuned engine i even had no chance to catch Shandy. He was controlling me. And Grabmüller and Reeves, they are better than me, even on my own bike. I have to accept these things instead to lie to me and the rest.
Eckart

[wingnut]

When the inmates finally take over the madhouse im off to play tiddly winks , wearing all required safety equipment naturally.